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Topic: What is it about W?

I've noticed that this man inspires hatred that might be beyond any political figure of this or possibly any preceding era.  For example, there were around a few hundred protesters at the DNC and most of them were just anarchist groups or pro-life people.  I'm watching CNN right now and i see a few hundred thousand marching against the war, Iraq prisoner scandal, some economic/social issue but none are as large as attacks against the man himself.

Posters calling Bush a thief or drun driver, drawings insinuating he is an intolerant, ignorant Christian redneck or just some poster calling him a liar or a warmonger.  These people do disagree with Bush's policies, but they seem to hate him more than even most liberals do, hating Bush fundamentally as a human being. 

I am unable to come to any conclusions about why George W. Bush inspires this much hatred on a personal and policy/political level.  The hate has always been there yeah, but never this strong.  Protesters have always marched with signs, but not this many.  The numbers and the feelings really seem unprecedented.  I can't remember ever hearing about even the hippies marching against LBJ as a person, other than "How many babies did you kill today, LBJ?"  But that is more about the war than him, in my opinion.

Conservatives might say that liberal protesters are simply insane and want something to march about.  But if this were true, why hasn't it happened only closer to now?  Furthermore, why haven't liberals gone farther than simple protesting by and large, if they are mentally imbalanced and out for blood?

Others might say Bush's policies are controversial and that he has created division in the public at a historically unprecedented level.  This is true, but it doesn't quite explain the personal attacks very well.  I think it is something deeper than that.

The best answer I can come up with is that something about Bush personally really gets under his opponents skins.  Perhaps it is his conceived basic lack of intellect, his over-confidence, his appearance, being overly forceful, the lies or just maybe how he he got into the White House to begin with.  That would perhaps explain the passion and the personal assaults better, but it still leaves completely unexplained how the pure hatred is spawned and why they choose to react that way specifically.

Oh well, just a sort of boring talking point before the convention gets underway.

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The best answer I can come up with is that something about Bush personally really gets under his opponents skins. Perhaps it is his conceived basic lack of intellect, his over-confidence, his appearance, being overly forceful, the lies or just maybe how he he got into the White House to begin with.

All of these reasons suit the best for me. This is probably the person I dislike the most. And I assure you if he were walking down the street(assuming there were no secret service agents) I'd spit at him once and then once more to make sure hit. This man deserves no respect imo. No offense to fb or brim, but I am telling the truth.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Gothic.. W is in pretty good shape.. I bet he would kick your ass if you spat upon him... =p

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Nah, he'd have his Secret Service goons do it for him.

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I've noticed that this man inspires hatred that might be beyond any political figure of this or possibly any preceding era.

Other than Clinton.

For example, there were around a few hundred protesters at the DNC and most of them were just anarchist groups or pro-life people.

That's because most conservatives aren't deluted enough to think that a protest comprised of idiots who get all their information from CNN (a general comment, no personal offense meant) makes any difference at all anymore. tongue

I'm watching CNN right now...

And...  that explains it. wink

and i see a few hundred thousand marching against the war, Iraq prisoner scandal, some economic/social issue but none are as large as attacks against the man himself.

And, of course, CNN would never exaggerate the size or content of the protests to suit their own, liberal needs. big_smile

Conservatives might say that liberal protesters are simply insane and want something to march about.

They're not insane.  They're whining, pathetic hippies with too much time on their hands who are too scared to say anything unless they are surounded by other, likeminded idiots.  But they are certainly not insane! big_smile

Perhaps it is his conceived basic lack of intellect, his over-confidence, his appearance, being overly forceful, the lies or just maybe how he he got into the White House to begin with.

Speaking of lies..... roll

That would perhaps explain the passion and the personal assaults better, but it still leaves completely unexplained how the pure hatred is spawned and why they choose to react that way specifically.

It's simple.  These people believe that they represent the majority of people in the US.  That's because of the primarily liberal media and it's impact on the slow, dimwitted portion of the population.  This is inspite of the numerous surveys showing the majority of Americans to having a conservative view.  The media tells them that if they don't do something worthy of being on TV, then they must not be doing anything at all.  Basically, though, they are a harmless minority, with (far) too much time on their hands.

Then again, maybe I'm underestimating them.  After all, as the old saying goes, beware idiots in large groups! big_smile

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Nah, he'd have his Secret Service goons do it for him.

yes but accordign to Gothic only way he'd spit on him would be with out the SS present =p

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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I don't have time to respond to all of your post, because I am leaving in a minute or two. But . . .

Other than Clinton.

No. Sorry, Brim. We both know that isn't true.

I know you hate Clinton, and a lot of your party does. But Clinton never inspired half the hatred that Bush does. Not even close. That's a fact.

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Gothic.. W is in pretty good shape.. I bet he would kick your ass if you spat upon him... =p

You never know who can kick whose ass FB, and if he were willing I'd go at him even if I knew for a fact that he could kick my ass. The chance to be able to inflict some of what he has caused upon countless people would be worth it. And yes there is NO WAY I would attack the president if his SS agents were there. They are able to use lethal force to stop an attack on the president, so no I am not stupid.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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How is that even close to a fact?  Have you asked everyone in the country?

You know, if you use a word enough, it loses all meaning.
(Fact, fact, fact, fact....   And, it's gone. tongue )

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You people are honestly trying to deny that Bush is one of the most hated presidents? How? I can't see the logic in that. It is a plain fact that this is one of the most heated elections because he is so hated.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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You people are honestly trying to deny that Bush is one of the most hated presidents?

I'm not saying that.  I'm just saying that Clinton was hated by a lot more people than Bush (in this country, anyway).  Just because we all didn't protest him, doesn't mean he wasn't hated.  Don't believe everything you see on CNN, Goth. wink

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i say clinton was many many times more respected and liked than bush internationally, i cant be sure bout within america, as i do not live there, but americans i have talked to about clinton loved him, in my opinion he is a much better president, and bush is a retard, who cant spell his own name.

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but americans i have talked to about clinton loved him,

Only the liberals who don't know/don't care about the horrible attrocities he commited against the American people.  Going to war is nothing compared to decimating the middle class, stripping away the rights of the American people, letting known murders go free, and a few hundred other things.  The people you've talked to are obviously in denial.

i say clinton was many many times more respected and liked than bush internationally

The only reason people around the world hate Bush is because he reminded everybody that America is the only real military-superpower left.

You're all so weak! tongue

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How is that even close to a fact?  Have you asked everyone in the country?

You know, if you use a word enough, it loses all meaning.
(Fact, fact, fact, fact....   And, it's gone. tongue )

Again, if you have a Gallup membership I can confirm this as a statistical fact that a higher amount of partisans disapproved of Bush than Clinton, they more intensely did so and that if you take an index of a "gap" between the party supporting him and the opposing party against him, Bush dwarfs all others (even Clinton at the height of the Monica scandal, it would seem).

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I really don't see much of a liberal bias in CNN very often.

Try watching it with your eyes open and without the mute on. tongue
Seriously, though...  You really don't? :shock:

FOX News which is blatantly biased at almost every single turn.

Sure... that's why they put a larger variety of liberal voices on the air than any other network.  They even put on the liberals that the other stations refuse to.  If you only watch, say, the O'Reily Factor, then of course it would seem as though the network is horribly biased.  But then, you also have Hannity and Colmes (and other such programs) which have both respected liberals and respected conservatives debating each topic.  That's something no other network does.

You do hit on an interesting point in that many conservatives perhaps don't feel as strongly about what they believe and/or maybe they see protest as an unacceptable avenue of expressing that and maybe even down to pointless or shameful. I suppose dissent and change are more incarnate with liberalism than conservatives' collective tendency to support the status quo or tradition itself.

We (by which I mean Conservatives big_smile ) tend to feel that protesting is pointless.  One of the reasons we feel this way is that when large groups of conservatives protest, and it does happen every now and then, they get next-to-no favorable media coverage.  For example, when conservatives were protesting FOR the war, they were portrayed by most liberal media sources as small, fringe groups.  Also, what has protesting ever accomplished?  It has never stopped a war, or brought peace to the world.  To be fair, mass protesting does aid in making others aware of things that are going on, but with so many semi-reliable news sources in the country, it isn't necessary.  We (again, conservatives) feel that our time would be better spent at home, making sure our families are being taken care of.

Now, none of this means that we are against protesting, simply that we generally chose not to do it ourselves.

Police gave no official crowd estimate, though one law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, put the crowd at 120,000; organizers claimed it was roughly 400,000

Yes, and police put the protesters at the Democratic convention at around 100,000.  Not much difference.

Though, I must say, it's nice to see that you're not just going from CNN.

This is from your beloved self-proclaimed source of "fair and balanced journalism", "no spin" and moreover shameless right-wing propaganda.

Aww... Are you mad because Fox is not only living up to its motto, but beating all other news stations in the process.  Or is this just something personal between you and Rupert Murdock? wink

If I need to even bring up Rush Limbaugh as whining

I feel the obligation to note that Rush is like Coulter, even we stopped listening to them.

Clinton lied a few times about having an affair, Bush lied a lot more and about war.

Liberals keep saying he lied, but it's not a lie without intent to decieve.  As I've said, given the intelligence from so many orgainizations worldwide, I tend to think he believed WMDs were in iraq.  Also, Clinton lied about more than just the BJ:
declassifying secrets
taking contributions from Chinese companies
Campaign expenditures
(I could go on, but I've already stated them hundreds of times here...)

"Sheeple mentality" to quote Michael Savage and mindless subordinance exist on both sides, which is rather unfortunate.

VERY true.

I would call liberals a minority in terms of comparison to conservatives and moderates on a self-identified basis, but I'd hardly call anti-Bush people a minority. In most polls, it is a common fact to see just around half of the country against Bush at any given time and half for him.

Depends on what poles you read.  CNN's poles put him at a 42% approval rating, Fox puts him at a 51%, and I believe Gallup puts him at a.....

Furthermore, most still appear to believe he doesn't deserve to be re-elected.

Once again, depends on the pole.  (which should show you that poles are not reliable, in the least.)

I am, most of them are at your convention right now.

Well, as long as you can admit you're an idiot, then there's hope for you. wink  big_smile

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You people are honestly trying to deny that Bush is one of the most hated presidents?

I'm not saying that.  I'm just saying that Clinton was hated by a lot more people than Bush (in this country, anyway).  Just because we all didn't protest him, doesn't mean he wasn't hated.  Don't believe everything you see on CNN, Goth. wink

I don't watch CNN. Also I went on a little research jouney to the book store today. 8 books were Anti-Bush, or Bushbashing...1 book was in favour of him. Now I know that there are probably a few pro-Bush books out there that did not appear on the shelf, but 8 to 1 is an odd that can't be beat by a few extra pro-Bush books. Maybe its just most Pro-Bush people have the same lack of intellect as he does himself? Present company excluded of course. wink

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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8 books were Anti-Bush, or Bushbashing...1 book was in favour of him.

You live in California (in case you forgot.)  That should explain the situation.  I go to book stores all the time here.  Though there are a couple more Bush-bashing books than not, I've still seen plenty that were pro-Bush.

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I don't watch CNN.

Have I mentioned lately how much I respect you?

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I would simply like to point out that calling most liberals stupid is silly considering it has been proven statistically that most college graduates lean more towards the left than the right....

I, of course, am not so stupid as to take this to mean that all conservatives are stupid (as Brim and FB both seem fairly intelligent) but it has always seemed odd to me that the majority of the educated people in the country vote Democrat. 

Then again, this may simply be due to the blatant leftist bias in most educational facilities.

Now as far as CNN and FOX are concerned. Yes, CNN is very leftist, and yes FOX is far right. To deny either of this is again silly.

Gothic, your trip to the store is hardly representative of the population. But, it should also be noted that most publishing companies are more willing to publish a leftist book than a right-wing book. This is again, sadly, due to the fact that those who are active readers are more often liberal than conservative. Again, most likely because the majority of the educated in this country have recieved a liberal education.

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Arrogance and name-calling are the hallmarks of modern conservatism, and judging from brimstone's posts they are some of the only hallmarks tongue

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I would simply like to point out that calling most liberals stupid is silly considering it has been proven statistically that most college graduates lean more towards the left than the right....

First off, you're right.  When I call liberals stupid, it's not because they're "stupid" but it's merely a word used to get a rise out of them.  Also, if you think about it, stupid isn't a particularly offensive word, and should be taken as a silly comment.

Now, as for the college part of your statement:  Have you been to a college campus lately?  Just because you mutter your way through college doesn't make you intelligent.  Remember, D's get degrees too!  (<one of my favorite sayings! big_smile )

I'm sure that's not exactly what you meant, but it angers me a bit that a lot of liberals seem to think that all conservatives are uneducate country-fried idiots.  At least that's the way people like Moore seem to characterize us.  But here's an interesting note on the subject:  MENSA is primarily conservative.  I believe the last survey the organization sent out reported somewhere around 80%.  I know, I took it.

Even more interesting note:  The head office for American MENSA is located in Texas.  Food for thought... wink

Arrogance and name-calling are the hallmarks of modern conservatism, and judging from brimstone's posts they are some of the only hallmarks

Ouch, Cat.  Ouch.
:cry: *single tear*
(Bite me! tongue )

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Exactly Texas...I, myself, don't judge coservatives as being a redneck unintellegent boob because they are intellegent, but because of where they are from. Conservatives reign throughout the deep South and the Mid-West, however New England and the west coast, which are both regarded to have more of a general mass intellect whether its true or not,(I myself think it it) generally leans towards the left. Hence being its all about location location location.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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And yet, the majority of those belonging to MENSA live in the midwest.

Location, location, location. big_smile

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Alright, I checked out the members section of the MENSA website and got the figures from the survey.

82% of the organization is conservative
14% is liberal
4% is moderate/indiscernible

Regionally:

32% of the organization lives in the Midwest
20% on the East Coast/New England
20% in the South
24% on the West Coast
and 4% in Alaska and Hawaii (which is incredibly impressive, when you consider the combined population of the two states alone in respect to that of the other regions.)

So, I misspoke earlier.  The midwest doesn't make up the majority of MENSA, merely a larger percent than other regions.

Also, I'd like to take this time to say:  GO ALASKA AND HAWAII!!!  Damn, that's impressive!

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So basically you are judging the entire population by one group? You fail to recognize that most of the state of the art technology the government uses comes from CalTech, and the most Jet engines, and new propulsion systems come from JPL(Jet Propulsion Labratories) also in California. Sorry if I put more faith into 2 organizations which try to improve certain areas of science rather that MENSA which is just a "high and mighty" assoication of people with hihg I.Q.s

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin