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You guys really have a lot of balls.  George W. Bush has possibly the shittiest military record of any President in modern US history.  Infact, I'd argue he has a negative military record.  He not only dodged the draft like Clinton did, he used Daddy's influence and money to do it.  Even after that, he barely showed up most of the time and he read flight manuals.  Then he went AWOL.  George W. Bush only defended Lubbock from the VC, to cite quote.

But to endorse and refuse to condemn attacks on a man that clearly has a better military record than Bush is just over the top.  Kerry saved someone's life, even if he was only over there for 4 months.  He volunteered, and he actually showed up.

Bush running on terrorism is almost absurdly laughable, at least from my perspective.  He failed to prevent 9/11, whether you blame him for it or not he didn't stop it.  I don't blame him, of course.  I couldn't have prevented it, I doubt many people could have connected the dots.  But he didn't even focus on terrorism.  He didn't even hold a metting on counter-terrorism.  He basically ignored an August 6th briefing he received entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside America".  Rice said it was too vague to matter.  But the point is he didn't even try, he did absolutely nothing.  Except vacation before it happened, which is something I find almost completely unforgivable.

But the real sin came when George W. Bush had to rise to the challenge.  He sat in a classroom for almost 10 solid minutes with a dumbfounded look on his face.  No, I don't agree with the conclusions Michael Moore draws from this.  Moore states that Bush was connected with the Saudis or that his "buddy" Saddam did it.  I think Bush is just an impotent moron and an ignorant simpleton that can't do anything other than what his teleprompter tells him to do.  His programming had no immediate response.

So, while thousands of people burned or jumped to their deaths on September 11, 2001, George W. Bush sat in a classroom dumbfounded and then continued to read to school children.

In Afghanistan, he screwed up.  He didn't send enough troops to fully stabilize the country, get all the Taliban or even capture the man it was all started for: Osama bin Laden.  He instead abused our trust and manipulated our fears to pass his own agenda of tax cuts, an almost obscenely named 'Patriot' Act and has since used 9/11 as a campaign tool in numerous ads, speeches and even now at the convention.  There are not words to describe how incredibly wrong this really is.

Fast forward to 2002.  October.  George W. Bush has told the country for the last year that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in some subtle speeches or press releases.  They were, at this time, the only case for war we were articulating.  Then comes a speech in Cincinatti Ohio where for the first time he states plainly Iraq is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.  In the state of the union, this claim is repeated followed with again an invoking of 9/11's image to scare people into supporting the war.  It worked.  After toying with inspections for less than 3 months,on March 19, 2003, George W. Bush rushes into a unilateral, pre-emptive war against the nation of Iraq.

May 5th, 2003.  George W. Bush proclaims the end of major combat operations in Iraq.  Mission Accomplished, the banner reads behind him.  This was a made for tv moment like none other.

August 2004. Too bad the "terrorists" didn't get the memo in Iraq.  An insurgency we were told by Rumsfeld would never exist is still fighting strong.  Zero weapons of mass destruction found, 968 and counting dead American soldiers, over 200 billion dollars spent.  Najaf ceases temporarily as a problem, but even the military isn't too optimistic and begins patrols in Sadr City.  Resistance continues in Mosul, Baghdad and elsewhere. 

Strike two for Dubya as the war we rushed into with no allies, no post war plan and not enough soldiers has become an undeniable quagmire.  The public is divided on whether it was even worth it and largely we still have 120,000+ troops tied down there.  Something Rumsfeld once again said would never happen.

Now Bush says we can't win the war on terrorism.  He says he miscalculated in Iraq, which he also simultaneously claims as a "catastrophic success".  We can't combat fear with more fear.     

We can't afford to have a third strike, and we cannot afford another 4 years of this man.  George W. Bush is not a solution, but he is the singular problem.  Pre-emptive unilateralism has proven itself to be a failure of a policy.  Moral absolutism as a worldview has isolated America in the world and left us tangled in the web of the Middle East, at the mercy of the very terrorists we are trying to destroy. 

We didn't elect George W. Bush, and we certainly do not have to keep him.  Kerry might not be a solution, but I am confident he is far more intelligent than Bush.

And I believe no problem can be solved by the same type of thinking that created it.

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I love you Cat.  big_smile

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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I didnt even read the entire thing because his first paragraph was full of nothing but Bullshit.. Kerry has dropped the Bush was AWOL arguement yet Cat wont? Bush's Military Record is open to the Public.. Kerry's is not...

I am hearing that when Kerry took a spill on that bike he was awarded another Purple heart.

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cat, did you check out the anti bush protest in nyc?  wow......

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But the real sin came when George W. Bush had to rise to the challenge. He sat in a classroom for almost 10 solid minutes with a dumbfounded look on his face. No, I don't agree with the conclusions Michael Moore draws from this. Moore states that Bush was connected with the Saudis or that his "buddy" Saddam did it. I think Bush is just an impotent moron and an ignorant simpleton that can't do anything other than what his teleprompter tells him to do. His programming had no immediate response.

I saw a show about Bush, a non-partisan thing. It was basically explaining, not justifying or accusing, but explaining why the man reacts in certain ways.

It came down to his dyslexia, which a lot of people don't know he suffers from.

A learning disability such as this makes it easy to conenct the dots and see why he has trouble with words, both when reading them, and when speaking them.

It also discussed the mind of somone with dyslexia; these people tend to see things in a more "black a white" world. "Greys" are more difficult to come to terms with, and often these people mentally place them in a more extreme catagory.

It also explains why he may have sat there for 10 minutes, undeniably looking like a fool. It is hard for people who suffer with dylexia to deal with such things. This is not a fault of, or a slam on the man's character, but rather, a truth about his mind.

Which brings forth different conclusions. Either you can put those mental faults behind him, and still view him as fit to serve. Or you can take a stance like myself, and find that there is a probably a better man for the job. Unless of course you are a neo-conservative and you really don't care because you know he isn't making the decisions anyway. All in all, this is more of a reason for an independent, or moderate to question his capabilities.

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Fireborn wrote:

Kerry has dropped the Bush was AWOL arguement yet Cat wont? quote]

Kerry is a politician. It looks good when he doesn't pursue something like that for political gain. People like myself and Catbert don't really give a shit about looking good in the public's eye or trying to win elections.

Which is great! Because then we can point out things that the wimpy, spineless Democrats "put behind them" and "forget about" because it's the "honorable" thing to do. You know, trivial crap like stolen elections and relate issues. Nothing to keep talking about, that makes us sore losers after all!

Anyway, point was, Kerry can drop all the stuff he wants, but don't expect me to, or Catbert, or Gothic, or whoever who wants to speak up on what they know is right. That is freedom after all!

Because it would be really nice for your side if we let all these things just blow away with the wind.

Sorry!!!

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Or was it the fact that they had records showing that he was there for full service? And many people who served with him Remember him being there..

Unlike Kerry who can't seem to recall if he was in Cambodia or not.. and if so at what date he was..

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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I didn't realize he had such a severe case of dyslexia. However, this brings up my views as to why we would put somebody with such a severe learning disability. Nothing personally against him in the manner of his learning disability(since my mother suffers from the same thing) but had this been made more public it could have for-warned people of the dangers this might have upon a country whose leader suffers from dyslexia while he has the power to send military forces wherever he pleases.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Or was it the fact that they had records showing that he was there for full service? And many people who served with him Remember him being there..

Unlike Kerry who can't seem to recall if he was in Cambodia or not.. and if so at what date he was..

If you think you are going to spin this, and make it seem like Bush served the military in a more honorable fashion than kerry, think again.

And Gothic, my point exactly.

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I didnt even read the entire thing because his first paragraph was full of nothing but Bullshit..

Don't worry, FB.  I read the whole thing.  It's all bullshit.

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I didnt even read the entire thing because his first paragraph was full of nothing but Bullshit..

Don't worry, FB.  I read the whole thing.  It's all bullshit.

Well don't stop there Brimmy-boy. Enlighten us as to why it's all bullshit.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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For you, Gothic, anything!

But to endorse and refuse to condemn attacks on a man that clearly has a better military record than Bush

"I believe John Kerry served his country with the greatest honor possible, and he should be proud of his service."
- George W Bush.

Bush running on terrorism is almost absurdly laughable, at least from my perspective. He failed to prevent 9/11, whether you blame him for it or not he didn't stop it. I don't blame him, of course. I couldn't have prevented it, I doubt many people could have connected the dots. But he didn't even focus on terrorism. He didn't even hold a metting on counter-terrorism. He basically ignored an August 6th briefing he received entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside America". Rice said it was too vague to matter. But the point is he didn't even try, he did absolutely nothing. Except vacation before it happened, which is something I find almost completely unforgivable.

Utter and complete bullshit, at least according to the 911 Comission's report.  However, he did say it was only from his perspective, so I guess that means his perspective is for shit. (Joke tongue )

But the real sin came when George W. Bush had to rise to the challenge. He sat in a classroom for almost 10 solid minutes with a dumbfounded look on his face. No, I don't agree with the conclusions Michael Moore draws from this. Moore states that Bush was connected with the Saudis or that his "buddy" Saddam did it. I think Bush is just an impotent moron and an ignorant simpleton that can't do anything other than what his teleprompter tells him to do. His programming had no immediate response

So.  How do you know that the man didn't spend that time in thought?  But, thank you for using a part of Moore's movie, which was full of shit.  (though, little bull.)

In Afghanistan, he screwed up.

Yeah, sure.  That's why they are free of the Taliban government, are likely to have a larger percent of their population actually vote than ours.

He instead abused our trust and manipulated our fears to pass his own agenda of tax cuts, an almost obscenely named 'Patriot' Act and has since used 9/11 as a campaign tool in numerous ads, speeches and even now at the convention.

Opinion, and bullshit.  You're 2 steps away from a conspiracy theory here. wink

Fast forward to 2002. October. George W. Bush has told the country for the last year that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in some subtle speeches or press releases. They were, at this time, the only case for war we were articulating.

So, the terrorists residing and actually thriving in Iraq at the time wasn't a good enough case all by itself?  And, yes, it is a proven fact that there were terrorists in Iraq BEFORE the war.  And we also know that Saddam was in the process of purchasing yellowcake from Niger.

no allies

Other than Britain, Austrailia, (now) Germany...

no post war plan

Other than the plan which has kept Iraq from irrupting into civil war.

Now Bush says we can't win the war on terrorism.

Actually, he said we can't defeat terrorism completely.  And, in reality, we can't.  (wasn't Cat the one that debated that point?)  But we can bring the fight to them, before they can bring it to us (again).

Anyway, like Cat, those are just my opinions (duh!).  But, anyway, I'm just doing this at Goth's request. wink

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Well don't stop there Brimmy-boy. Enlighten us as to why it's all bullshit.

To break down what I just said in order to answer this in the most simple terms:  It's bullshit because it's nothing but the same party-line they've been throwing around for a while.

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Oh, and anything your opposing party says is automatically "bullshit"? With extreme biased partisanship like that, who do you expect to take you seriously?

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The intelligent crowd.  (I believe there's a total of 7 of us on this board.) tongue

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Well I had just typed out an incredibly long reply and this stupid piece of crap lost my login and returned to the login screen.  I won't bother retyping it, because it took close to an hour hmm

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Sorry to hear that Cat.  I was looking forward to reading more of your hillarious liberal slant.  (joke tongue )

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I really want to know more about George W. and dyslexia...

I had never heard it said that he suffered from it. If he did it actually would make me much more willing to accept his numerous slip-ups.

I just looked around a bit and saw there was some controversy over it last election that I had never heard of. Has Bush ever admitted to being dyslexic?

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Well I had just typed out an incredibly long reply and this stupid piece of crap lost my login and returned to the login screen.  I won't bother retyping it, because it took close to an hour hmm

Lol that happened to me when I took forever explaining how Bush stole the election. I always copy my posts now.

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I really want to know more about George W. and dyslexia...

I had never heard it said that he suffered from it. If he did it actually would make me much more willing to accept his numerous slip-ups.

I just looked around a bit and saw there was some controversy over it last election that I had never heard of. Has Bush ever admitted to being dyslexic?

It makes more more accepting of him as well. As a person, not as a politician, and certainly not as the President.

Don't know if he has ever formally admitted to it, he certainly doesn't deny it. It's true, if that's what you are wondering about.

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I can't really say that the President having dyslexia is a good thing...it clearly isn't...

However, I doubt that any true harm will come of it.  There are several sites on Google that claim that, because of this, Bush will attack the wrong country, et cetera, but I seriously doubt that any mistake made by the President as a result of his dyslexia would reach absolution without correction.

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