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Topic: Zell Miller's Speach

Absolute Gold... Best thing I have heard.. EVER!!

I must admit it was mostly a smear John Kerry Speach.. but it was absolutely great..

I never thought I would see the day a Democrat would stand up and bash his own party so heavily.

I do agree he could have eased up on slamming John Kerry, but overall his speach was great smile..


Brim.. Your opinion?

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I know you were waiting for brim's opinion, but I'll throw my uh.....$22.42 worth in.....

I didn't have an opportunity to hear this speech and I have only what bits of it I could gather from the news.  However, I completely agree with everything that I have read...Zell Miller is exactly what the Democrat party needs.

"For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure," Miller said. "As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military. As a senator, he voted to weaken our military."

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Brim.. Your opinion?

Thank you.  I like it when people ask me for my opinion, even though not being asked has NEVER stopped me from giving it. big_smile

Anyway, I liked the speech.  It's not my favorite of the convention, but it's definitely a highlight.  I was actually very surprised that he would bash Kerry so much.  I'm not as impressed by his public speaking skills as I was with others, but I think he got the point through:  FUCK KERRY! ( big_smile )

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O yeah.. without a doubt..

He could have done his speach with 2 words and get the same point across hehe..

Fuck Kerry..


And i still would have thought it was Absolute gold smile

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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As well you should. wink

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Of course you liked it, it bashed Kerry . . . but the speech itself stunk. There were much better orators in that convention.

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Reply forthcoming.

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I don't mind a little mudslinging....but most of what I have read, although it may be considered bashing Kerry, has shown that Kerry is indecisive. Although it looks like a personal attack, being indecisive is clearly a professional problem as well.

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"As the sheep are lead by their shepherds"

I don't mind a little mudslinging....but most of what I have read, although it may be considered bashing Kerry, has shown that Kerry is indecisive. Although it looks like a personal attack, being indecisive is clearly a professional problem as well.

Of course what you read is going to show that Kerry is indecisive. Just because you read somebody's opinion doesn't make it true, boy-o. And yes it is just an opinion. It doesn't matter if you read a political debate, a newspaper, a book, or if it was this little man's speech. It is all opinions.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Quite true, Gothic....ol'chap, but when you hear an opinion and look up the senate votes to prove it.....well....its not just an opinion anymore.

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Actually it is. But then again most conservatives seem to confuse their opinions with a fact. Just because many people agree with you doesn't make it a fact. Now I know when I say Bush is a stupid redneck hick, it is merely my opinion on the matter. Which I am entitled to.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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so...conservative=nazi.......hmm......

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so...conservative=nazi.......hmm......

Wow . . .  roll

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I love how Cat is always right and the Politicians who have been in the game for 20 to 40 or more years make such giant flaws in there speaches wink


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Sarcasm for the people to dumb to realize

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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I love how Cat is always right and the Politicians who have been in the game for 20 to 40 or more years make such giant flaws in there speaches wink

Me too. (not sarcastic in the slightest)

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I'll skip Cat's post, as I don't really feel like arguing opinion right now.  (maybe later. wink )

Quite true, Gothic....ol'chap, but when you hear an opinion and look up the senate votes to prove it.....well....its not just an opinion anymore.

When all the facts back up an opinion, it's still an opinion....

...It's just the correct opinion. wink

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so...conservative=nazi.......hmm......

The funny thing is, I didn't say that.  Or anything resembling it, for that matter.

I didn't even mention ideology or the party as being "nazi", only nazish in terms of what Zell was implying.  The implication is of course that we:

a)shouldn't question our leaders, we should mindlessly adhere to whatever his policies are
b) be afraid of the enemy and the only acceptable cure for that is the leader
c) George W. Bush is the country, or at least affiliated with it in a manner in which they cannot be separated.
d) Our critics are demons and the dissenters are traitors.

These weren't stated of course, but the implication was there the entire time.  I thought it was reminscient of a Hitler speech because of the pure demagoguery and manipulation of emotion involved -- and that emotion was far past sincere to being dead serious.

These tactics of intimidation, demonization, capitalization off of emotion and generally the use of fear and anger as a foreign policy are indeed reminscient of the Nazi party of Germany.  The implication wasn't that Republicans or conservatives are nazis, but rather that they are employing shameless anger driven propaganda to manipulate the public into supporting their agenda, all while capitalizing off a national tragedy.  Know anyone else that did that?  Does the Reichstag fire ring a bell?  If the shoe fits, as far as I am concerned, you might as well wear it. 

For those that aren't familiar with it, Zell Miller is a Democrat.  Or at least he claims to be.  So if my remarks somehow magically apply to the entire ideology or party, it'd be to that party rather than his.  This was a slam against the tactics and tone of one man.

I love how Cat is always right and the Politicians who have been in the game for 20 to 40 or more years make such giant flaws in there speaches 


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Sarcasm for the people to dumb to realize

I love how just because someone is a politician, you automatically have to trust them.  Funny, I always thought most politicians were to be distrusted, or at least viewed skeptically.  Experience doesn't mean credibility, nor does it entail or secure accuracy.

This is a debate about ideology and his accusations, not public policy.  It doesn't require experience, it requires knowledge.  The person delievering a message does not change its accuracy.  If you disagree with what I said, then reply. 

Come to the aid of your party's attack dog, because I'm putting him down.

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all facts start off as educated opinions of some sort........according to what you said......even though it's been backed up with facts, the world being round is still only an opinion........

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I never said I trusted him..

But I think he knows a tad bit more than you do.. However.. because you dont agree with him he must be inaccurate.

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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His inaccuracies were largely related to the descriptions of the modern Democratic party and his demonization of Kerry's foreign policy, particularly that he'd only goto war if the UN said it was ok.  The defense record assaults has been found to have been inaccurate by independent media watchdogs.  Either inaccurate, misrepresented or taken out of context that is.