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Topic: Election 2004 is Over.. And the Winner is..

Bush!!

Yes yes.. it could change.. but its very unlikely..

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Bush doesnt even need to take any of the toss up states to win.. He would Tie with a 269 to 269 and because ties are split by the House of Representatives Bush would probably win with 269 EVs.

However..     

RCP Average 9/4- 9/12| Pennsylvania - - Bush 48.0     Kerry 48.0 - TIE
RCP Average 8/14-9/3| Nevada - - Bush 46.7    Kerry 45.4   Nader 1.8     Bush +1.3
RCP Average 8/16 - 9/3| New Mexico  - - Bush 43.8    Kerry 48.6    Nader 1.2      Kerry +4.8
RCP Average 8/27 - 9/12| Wisconsin - - Bush 49.2 Kerry 46.6  Nader 1.0       Bush +2.6

Bush is likely to get Wisconsin and Nevada.. He only needs one of them to win without a tie...

RCP is very reliable, as it averages every poll.. Thats how they got the numbers... I cant wait until November 2nd!! This will be an exciting Election!

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If I were Kerry I would Campaign in PA more because if Bush gets that then it is without a doubt over..

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Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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Bush will win. I will vote Kerry of course but it won't matter. No sense in any Democrats decieving themselves.

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Out of curiosity what does the RCP stand for?

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Real Clear Politics

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Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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Damnit, i wanted the lesser evil.

I'm Roachies

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I never put to much faith in polls...especially when they are taken in the last 2 months of the election. This is when all the serious debates start happening, this is usually when most of the swingers actually stick to one side or the other.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Yes, but . . . Bush is going to win. He didn't have to get the popular vote last time, why should this be different?

That being said, vote none the less.

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voting is fun.....you get a sticker for free big_smile

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thats kick ass Penny! I want my Free Sticker!

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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No, free government handouts are life-threatening, remember?

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goverment handouts are definately biased.....they handed out crack in the lower-income urban areas... when all i get is a sticker.......soooooo unfair  wink

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What in the fuck is up with Kerry??

The RCP Averages show that Kerry just lost New Hampshire and is only holding New Jersey by 1 point..

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Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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Damn I am looking forward to the end of the election 2004 in the US.

At first I though that the post count would drop dramatically but then I thought of all the post election whining and such...

/sigh

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I love you Prarie big_smile dun worry.. we will all  be hyped up for Election '08


Hilary/Dean Ticket vs. Guliani/Mccain Ticket

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McCain runs, McCain wins. Not much hype there.

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I love you Prarie big_smile dun worry.. we will all  be hyped up for Election '08


Hilary/Dean Ticket vs. Guliani/Mccain Ticket

AAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!

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Hilary will whoop the shit outta McCain!

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It isn't over until the fat lady sings, FB and that dirty bitch still has a few weeks to go.  The debates have not happened yet, and the debates have changed things a great deal in the past.  Besides the debate and undecided voters, turnout could still be an unexpected factor.  Polls have no ultimately reliable way of predicting turnout.  Gallup's poll assumes a 55% turnout, which might well be completely incorrect.

That being said, a large number of people still consider themselves, "swing voters" and they are only leaning towards Bush because of the convention post-bounce, which I believe has been artificially extended by the CBS scandal and the swift boat ads from before.  I see the election going back to being close, and many polls are already showing that.

The Time poll shows Bush dropping from a 12 point lead in registered voters to a 4 point lead.  The FOX News poll shows a similar 2 point spread and an increase, oddly, in self-identified undecideds/swing voters

This election is far from over until the debates are over, undecided voters go down in number (closer to the end of October), we see if any unexpected events happen at the last moment and once polls start to stabilize. 

I am not citing any "likely voter" statistics because I have lost nearly complete faith in their meaning at this point.  A likely voter in March is not a likely voter in November, for obvious reasons.  Some people pay attention late, and some people lose attention later in the game.  Others start to care less or more.  Some might say they will vote and then not get out.  Ultimately, likely voters are a stab in the dark.  Either a polling agencies shady definition of who they believe is likely to vote, an assumption on turnout or a mathematical manipulation of the registered voters based on bias, a la Democracy Corps or the Wall Street Journal.

As far as I am concerned, the race is still pretty much a statistical dead heat where it counts among registered voters and it will probably remain that way.  This race is Bush's to lose with the debates anyways smile

By the way, good to see you bastards again  big_smile

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to popular vote doesnt mean shit.. its about Electoral votes wink

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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FireBorn WE WIN WE WIN WE WIN LIBERALS SUCKS! Still i cant vote and bush is an idiot but least hes doing  a good job.

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polls are funny things.....i don't know anyone who knows anyone who's even been asked to take one....so i don't trust that....and a classic example of polls being way wrong is the truman - dewey election...

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I have taken 2 over the phone polls..


So now you know me Penny big_smile

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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FireBorn WE WIN WE WIN WE WIN LIBERALS SUCKS! Still i cant vote and bush is an idiot but least hes doing  a good job.

Lol. ^  roll

Oh, and Penny Lane, my family has been 'polled'.

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In penny lane there is a barber showing photographs
Of every head he’s had the pleasure to know.
And all the people that come and go
Stop and say hello.

lol - this is my main reason for liking Pennylane...

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