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Topic: Presiential Debates... Winner and Scores..

First Half hour...(Bush makes up a word, and Kerry spends his first 1 minute ass kissing the crowd)

Both did a horrible Job but I have to admit Kerry came out stronger than Bush..

Bush: C+
Kerry: B-


Second Half Hour...(These guys sound like there Campaign Ads)

Both Canidates did much better but Bush came out stronger for Kerry can't escape his CONSTANT flip-flopping on Iraq.

Bush: A-
Kerry: B


Last Half Hour...

Bush did very well and Kerry not so well.. Kerry was like a tape recording and what annoyed me the most was after the Iran question.. he went RIGHT back to it on next question.. He completely avoided the question asked and kept doing the Iran rebutle..

Bush: A
Kerry: D+


Closing Statement...

Well both Canidates did well... They better atleast lol.. Since there is no real pressure..

Bush: A
Kerry: A







This debate was all about who could smear the other one better. Luckily they both threw in compliments smile



Winner: Bush

Overall-------

Bush: A-
Kerry: B-

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Re: Presiential Debates... Winner and Scores..

It's really hard to take you seriously Fireborn. You really shouldn't expect anyone to, either. You're a raving rightist, and you and me both know you have an extreme bias and probably do not give off the most honest analysis.

I am guilty of all the above, only on the opposite spectrum of politics.

Presented with that truth, I won't give my person opinion on it, because it's all of the same you have heard before.

I would be much more interested in hearing the opinions of moderates and undecided voters (if there are any here).

Understanding my bias, I called some people who aren't as political as I am.

The general belief, I have been fed, is that Sen. Kerry excelled in this 'debate' and did much better than Bush.

This is music to my ears, and gives me a more solid and rooted belief in how Kerry actually did do, and makes me worry less that it is merely my own politics seeping into the mess.

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the thing is I didnt grad eon there Message as much as I did on HOW they presented it.

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Even the conservatives on the news were eating their words about how stomped and surprised Bush was on how Kerry handled his debates. Coming from a 3rd party perspective(myself) I can say Bush was thoroughly stomped.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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^^^ Coming from a 3rd party perspective that has been as Anti-Bush as Mold =p

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My main point was that even Fox admitted Kerry did better.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Everyone who I watched it with (granted we were drinking during it... omg isn't that one of the saddest things you've ever heard?) thought Kerry did better.. of course they're damn college kids so...

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Kerry had a huge advantage from the start in that he can actually form proper sentences.

Also mold, out of interest do you support Kerry as you see him as the lesser of two evils or do you support him as you think he is whats best for America and the rest of the world it now unfortunately has influence over?

I'm Roachies

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Why do all our presidential candidates have to look like child molesters?

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My main point was that even Fox admitted Kerry did better.

I have been watching Fox all morning =p Many are saying Bush did better...


Everyone they have been asking has stayed upon strict party lines.. We'll have to wait for the polls to see.. Kerry better hope he is given the win.. As these 3 debates are must wins or he loses the election without a fight.. Bush can coast on his Convention bump to the election.

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Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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Many online surveys and "flash" scientific polls have shown Kerry "winning" the debate. However, this seems to have only translated in to a little movement upwards in questions on Iraq and the War on Terror, with voters still preferring Bush. Finally, it will be interesting to see the next two debates since this was supposed to be Bush's strong area.

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fireborn has finally lost his mind  smile  smile ......look at bush, even he knew he blew it....by the end of the debate he was fumbling with words, hunched over, and having to resort to the same redundant defense (kerry sending "mixed signals").....let's face it, being a strong president doesn't mean standing on a sinking ship until it submerges.  i'd prefer a leader who can evaluate the situation, and realize that it WAS a mistake in retrospect and try to fix the situation.  I loved the part in the debate where bush was claiming to have trained all these troops in iraq, seeing as how he failed to mention the fact that many of these trained troops are or will become insurgents working against the us efforts.

those of you who thought kerry handed bush his ass last night, wait until kerry calls him out on outsourcing of jobs on the debate on domestic policies next friday.....it is sure to be good times.  i can't wait to hear bush, once again talk about his little work relief areas he's planning on building....which, if you ask me, just translates into prefabricated ghettos.

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Why do all our presidential candidates have to look like child molesters?

our?  didn't you leave the US?

Theology: The study of elaborate verbal disguises for non-ideas

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Dont forget we have strong allies such as Britain and...and...Poland! With their help we can win this.  lol

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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How could you forget Macedonia, Moldovia, and Latvia?

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Unlike some of our allies who supplied Iraq with weapons before AND during our invasion.. France has some questions to answer..

The Oil for Food program proves that the UN is useless.. I am saying the UN only lasts 2 more years..

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Only lasts 2 more years because...of what? Whom on this planet do you think would end the UN? Could it be...Bush? Of course he will try to end the UN. Everything they want and agree on Bush doesn't like. He is absolutely defiant against anything not involving the US which is quite selfish since whatever we do has an affect on all the countries. You think this war has only had a negative affect on the US public? I can tell you now you are dead wrong.

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Gothic you ignorant fool. The UN allowed Saddam to walk all over them for years. Our multiple "Allies"(France, Germany, China, Russia) in the UN were giving weapons to Iraq before and DURING the Iraq war. The Oil for Food scandal proves on how corrupt the UN is. We don’t need the UN. Fuck them I say... Fuck them.

Kerry brought up a point saying that 90% of the casualties were American. Well guess what. That wouldn’t have changed... Someone needs to break it to him that the US basically makes up any UN formed Coalition. With or without more allies the US would still have 90% of casualties.

Now lets talk about the French reporters that were kidnapped. France thought since they didn’t back us and was supplying them with Weps the terrorists would leave them alone. Aww guess that didn’t work out in there favor. Every time they threaten with beheading the two journalists the French give in and still have yet to give back the same 2 bargaining chips...


The UN is worthless

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How was Saddam walking all over them? With supposed threats of these supposed wmds? I fail to see how Saddam affected my life, your life, English people's lives, French people's lives, anybodies lives in Europe or North America.

So please if coule explain how he walked all over them and amde them look like fools, I'd be glad to oblige. Don't forget that proof however. wink

"We are a mass of seething fury, elected as your judge and jury. You stand accused of murder, vanity, and evil crimes against humanity."-Andy Martin

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Kerry had a huge advantage from the start in that he can actually form proper sentences.

Also mold, out of interest do you support Kerry as you see him as the lesser of two evils or do you support him as you think he is whats best for America and the rest of the world it now unfortunately has influence over?

I support Kerry. A while ago, I held the "anybody but Bush" mentality. I have actually grown to respect John Kerry a lot more, and have faith in a his potential presidency.

Seriously Fireborn . . . be real . . . virtually no one is saying Bush won, or even came close to a tie, BUT the nut-jobs on Fox News and people like yourself. My Moderate American Gov. Teacher was astounded at how much better Kerry did, and I talked to some slight-Bush supporters at school today, who all said something along the lines of "I don't know anymore, I supported Bush, but now that I know more I'm leaning towards Kerry." Needless, to say, I was thrilled.

And Penny is very correct. This debate focused on primarily Bush's "strong area" he is so so so screwed when it all boils down to the economy.

What a wonderful world.

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Yeah, Fox News says that Bush did better. . since they ARE a blatant conservative news station. . if there were any blatant LIBERAL news stations, you would deffinatly hear a different opinion.

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Ender, Ever hear of Cnn? So left-wing it makes me want to wash myself with sand paper and pinesol.

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I just viewed the debate from yahoo, since I was sleeping during the debate to ready myself for one of my jobs, and I honestly think Kerry stomped Bush in this debate. Bush 's main defense used was Kerry's flipflop issue. I'm not saying that's all he used, but his main strategy was that. Kerry, on the other hand, was able to throw numerous issues at Bush. Fireborn. . I think your grading system needs to be changed.

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I've lost all respect for you Brandon.

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Of course i've herad of CNN. .I was editing my post earlier with something from their webstie about the debate. .but it said "according to a group of blah blah blah" (or something like that), and I was sure someone would have said something about it being a source from a group and not the station. . . but whatever. . <3 you too, Nick.

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