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Gothic you ignorant fool.
come on fireborn, let's not get personal on this......discussing politics and even disagree is a great thing...who wants to live in a world where everyone thinks alike? but lets not get too heated in our debates 
Don't worry about it penny...he still loves me 
I always call Gothic an ignorant fool..
Gothic, Saddam clearly violated the UN Resolutions many times, yet the UN kept wanting to give him extended Deadlines and kept on wanting to revise to the resolutions to ease up on him.
Also the inteeligence we had recieved showed he had WMD.. False or not.. If he did, that opposed a threat to us and our interests.
Mold.. im not going to call you a Liar.. but what you said I could never confirm unless I asked these people myself.. I'll give you the benfit of the doubt..
Fireborn, look fucking around! BY FAR most people are saying Kerry beat Bush. I have never seen anyone more blindly partisan than you.
Watch another station besides Fox News- please.
I do.. I watch NBC and Fox.. I never watch CNN though. I have seen the poll and I have not once disputed that they have said Kerry won.. I just have a different opinion on the matter as Kerry didnt seem to clear up his flip flopping message.
Almost everything Kerry said at the debate he has had a flipped view on earlier...
That's a pretty big exaggeration. Nonetheless, Kerry has indeed changed his mind on some issues, more importantly, the way he has explained it, and the words he has chosen have been stupid. Bush has also flip-flopped on some issues . . . but that seems to go unnoticed. Kerry didn't actually explain why he had changed his mind on some issues during that debate. Why? Well, Fireborn, because the debate was not about that. The debate was about Homeland security and the War in Iraq. While Sen. Kerry focused on those issues, Bush took the time to try to smear Kerry by bringing up "flip-flopping" and seldom explaining, or justifying why he, himself has made decisions. I think most Americans picked up on that, and thought Bush easily lost. I know the moderates I have talked to felt that way.
Gothic, Saddam clearly violated the UN Resolutions many times, yet the UN kept wanting to give him extended Deadlines and kept on wanting to revise to the resolutions to ease up on him.
Don't forget that proof however.
Also the inteeligence we had recieved showed he had WMD.. False or not.. If he did, that opposed a threat to us and our interests.
As I have stated 3 times before: A couple month ago the CIA released information to Bush that they KNEW he was not a threat to anybody outside his own country and that of his nieghbors, BEFORE the war started. Now let us not forget who runs the CIA...could it be Daddy Bush? It was on Fox, ABC, CNN, NBC, even fucking AOL knew this.
ummm yeah.. Bush Sr. Doesnt run the CIA.. he hasnt for a long time...
Also im pretty certain that the CIA said he was a threat to the US and to US Allies.. However Gothic link me to this "CIA Report" of yours =p
Yes Mold.. I know what the debate was about.. but in pre-debate comentary they were expecting Kerry to defend his Flip Flopping record..
And i'm sure America expected Bush to back up his poor decisions in Iraq. . .
Kerry was soooooo right when he talked about how we have 10 times more troops in Iraq than in Afganistan, where known terrorist were, and how he questioned Bush if Iraq was 10 times more important than Afganistan.
The terrorists moved to Iraq.. So we moved more troops into Iraq to stop them.
Vote for Terrence or Phillip 2004!!1!!1!!
...and fuck Bush AND Kerry!
Yes Mold.. I know what the debate was about.. but in pre-debate comentary they were expecting Kerry to defend his Flip Flopping record..
And he did just that, to a certain extent. However, he focused more on the issues, unlike our president.
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