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As long as humans are alive absolute truth is impossible.
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As long as humans are alive absolute truth is impossible.
If you think that is absolutely true,
You would be absolutely wrong.
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At what point does an abortion become wrong?
At what stage in the pregnancy?
At what point would the * be too far along to abort?* (Place term of your choosing for the baby to help you not feel remorse about killing a baby here)
Shit are you for real ?
Do you cry every time your Wife/GF has her Period because its a potential dead baby ?
Quality of Life > Quantity of Life.
Tell us then at what point you feel the cell is considered a "Baby" ?
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Hrmm... absolute truth. Have you ever read nineteen eighty-four? (Department of Truth. 2+2=5)
Anyhow, the term 'absolute truth' has some need of being properly defined before going into it.
absolute (adj.)
Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional
Philosophically speaking I would argue that there is no such thing as absolute truth, well, there could be, but it would be a purely conceptual and redundant concept.
However, philosophy is somewhat detached from everyday life at times. So presuming we are actually capable of 'knowing' anything, and discarding things such as the impossibility of logically proving induction, (I am trying to go for absolute to all people) I would be tempted to call some thing absolute truth. I might be tempted to call F = m*a absolute truth, though it turns out that for high speeds this is not the case. Even Euclidean geometry will lose its validity when confronted with gravitational fields. What about relativity then? Well, quantum gravity is still an issue, and alternative interpretations ARE possible. (Which cant logically be true if relativity is also true, yet in it's predicted phenomena is logically equivalent to relativity.) Economics then? Well, I think we all suspect that those laws are by no means absolute, even keeping ceteris paribus in mind. (Just think of the price-demand development of potatoes during the Irish potato famine.) How about religion? I would find it hard to call such a thing absolute when there is a multitude of different religions, when there are hundreds of millions of of agnostic and atheist people, and even within most religions there is great disagreement over the interpretation. (E.g. some would call the bible's description of the creation of earth in 7 days to be a song of praise that is not to be taken literally, others might feel it is actually an account of history.) So at the very least it is not absolute when taken over the whole of humanity. History? I think I don't need to argue the relativity of history. (The difference between learning about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a US or Japanese school, and the inexactness of it all.) Anyhow, I do believe such things could be said for any form of 'knowledge'. Logic may come close, but in the end it only takes 1 madman with warped logic to form an exception and invalidate the property of 'absoluteness'.
(PS. The aforementioned reflects my opinion. Obviously I'd be ironically impaired if I had any absolute truth-pretensions with what I have written above. 
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At what point does an abortion become wrong?
At what stage in the pregnancy?
At what point would the * be too far along to abort?* (Place term of your choosing for the baby to help you not feel remorse about killing a baby here)
Shit are you for real ?
Do you cry every time your Wife/GF has her Period because its a potential dead baby ?
Quality of Life > Quantity of Life.
Tell us then at what point you feel the cell is considered a "Baby" ?
When I had this discussion with Zer one time, I managed to boil it down to him considering a fertilized egg cell with a unique DNA-string to be 'sacred', lol. Though he didn't seem to like the conclusion very much himself, hehe. Took me till 4 AM my time (10 PM for him) to get to that point though, heh.
"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."
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life is measured upon heartbeat
I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.
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life is measured upon heartbeat
and ego in inches ;-)
"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."
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and ego in inches ;-)
Can we count Fractions....=/
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and ego in inches ;-)
Can we count Fractions....=/
If you have to start using fractions then you need help.....
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Fine then im not 10 3/4 inches....ill simply round it up to 11.
Edit: No really im tiny...im like *hey there little guy* giggle.... 
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I guess Jesus is twice the man I am. ^_^
"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."
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life is measured upon heartbeat
Based on this comment a child is alive in the womb
at 22 days after conception.
The embryonic heart starts beating 22 days after conception, or about five weeks after the last menstrual period, which by convention we call the fifth week of pregnancy. The heart at this stage is too small to hear, even with amplification, but it can sometimes be seen as a flickering in the chest if an ultrasound is done as early as four weeks after conception.
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Wow! This thread is still running on, huh? I think my last post was on page six or something. Then I stopped looking.
Just so you guys now, that's what I always do - stop looking. If I read a post that I disagree with then I have to respond, which really eats away at my day.
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Oh, but don't worry. I'm way to busy debating people in other avenues than to do so here. 
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You are scary!
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Wow! This thread is still running on, huh?
NO it Wasnt..in fact the last post was made over 2 months ago.
Its only running on because you made it!!!
Bastard :twisted:
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I am a baked ham in a delicious glaze.
Zerodyme is a ghost. You don't know he's there until he's cut you. As your hands fall off and your torso splits, the last thing you'll think is, "Oh, fuck! Zerodyme was here!"
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Hrmm... absolute truth. Have you ever read nineteen eighty-four? (Department of Truth. 2+2=5)
Anyhow, the term 'absolute truth' has some need of being properly defined before going into it.
absolute (adj.)
Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditionalPhilosophically speaking I would argue that there is no such thing as absolute truth, well, there could be, but it would be a purely conceptual and redundant concept.
However, philosophy is somewhat detached from everyday life at times. So presuming we are actually capable of 'knowing' anything, and discarding things such as the impossibility of logically proving induction, (I am trying to go for absolute to all people) I would be tempted to call some thing absolute truth. I might be tempted to call F = m*a absolute truth, though it turns out that for high speeds this is not the case. Even Euclidean geometry will lose its validity when confronted with gravitational fields. What about relativity then? Well, quantum gravity is still an issue, and alternative interpretations ARE possible. (Which cant logically be true if relativity is also true, yet in it's predicted phenomena is logically equivalent to relativity.) Economics then? Well, I think we all suspect that those laws are by no means absolute, even keeping ceteris paribus in mind. (Just think of the price-demand development of potatoes during the Irish potato famine.) How about religion? I would find it hard to call such a thing absolute when there is a multitude of different religions, when there are hundreds of millions of of agnostic and atheist people, and even within most religions there is great disagreement over the interpretation. (E.g. some would call the bible's description of the creation of earth in 7 days to be a song of praise that is not to be taken literally, others might feel it is actually an account of history.) So at the very least it is not absolute when taken over the whole of humanity. History? I think I don't need to argue the relativity of history. (The difference between learning about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a US or Japanese school, and the inexactness of it all.) Anyhow, I do believe such things could be said for any form of 'knowledge'. Logic may come close, but in the end it only takes 1 madman with warped logic to form an exception and invalidate the property of 'absoluteness'.
(PS. The aforementioned reflects my opinion. Obviously I'd be ironically impaired if I had any absolute truth-pretensions with what I have written above.
Hey Crov, what you are talking about here with "absolute truths" is a pretty common problem in in practical philosophy. You make a valid point, which is that many things indeed seem "absolute" in a practical sense, but reason tells us that exceptions are possible, which in turn disqualifies such a statement of absoluteness. In philosophy, "absolute principles" mean just that - no exceptions, an unconditional truth. However, here's the accepted solution to making such claims in the practical sense: Universal truths/principles. Universals, unlike absolutes, allows for exceptions to be made all the while remaining consistent in their assumptions. As a result, they're much more applicable in comparison.
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Hey Crov, what you are talking about here with "absolute truths" is a pretty common problem in in practical philosophy. You make a valid point, which is that many things indeed seem "absolute" in a practical sense, but reason tells us that exceptions are possible, which in turn disqualifies such a statement of absoluteness. In philosophy, "absolute principles" mean just that - no exceptions, an unconditional truth. However, here's the accepted solution to making such claims in the practical sense: Universal truths/principles. Universals, unlike absolutes, allows for exceptions to be made all the while remaining consistent in their assumptions. As a result, they're much more applicable in comparison.
lol
wut?
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I don't see what's funny or confusing about what I wrote.
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your face
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your both wrong, everything was created in the dreamtime by the rainbow serpent and that giant frog what was his name...
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Death metal makes the world go round.
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