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Topic: Defense

On Catbert's site he suggests not putting anything into Defense, and to equip items that increase Defense if you need it.  I'm playing a warrior, and it seems to me that in order to equip some of the better body armors you'll need Defense of your own.  Full plate requires 55 Def, and Knight Plate requires 100 Def. 

Yes, I could equip 2 Guardian Talismans to boost Def by 40 to equip the Full plate... but I'll still need to get my hands on 2 specific rings, and that still doesn't help me with Knight Plate.

  I think raising it to say... 40 or so is good for now (lvl in 20's), and then evenutally raising it to 60.  What do all of you think?

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Re: Defense

Defense is worthless stat.. I hope Zer changes that next client.. I am hoping for not only AF but Spell Resists.. like .5% for every 5 Defense.. and maybe a damage buffer for physical attacks every 5 also.. like a permanant 1.5 per attack.. At 100 Defense you get hit for 150(-30) 120... Would make it a lot better. Stamina should add to energy (ie the name stamina) not only health.

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Re: Defense

Even if it is worthless, you still need it to equip certain items.  If you don't ever put points into, how will you ever wear those items?

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Melchior, as a new player, you will need defense. The older players already have the items they need. And Knight Plate is extremely rare, so good luck to you with getting one of those. Defense isn't USELESS, but it is not as good as the others. With 1250 defense, you can take quite a bit of extra damage. But, it is nothing compared to what you would gain when putting those points into strength and stamina. Strength allows you to kill much quicker, and stamina is much better than defense.

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Re: Defense

Lothar wrote:

Melchior, as a new player, you will need defense. The older players already have the items they need. And Knight Plate is extremely rare, so good luck to you with getting one of those.

Humour me here.  Say I'm an older player who has found Knight Plate, and I have all the items I need.  I also haven't put any points into DEF.  I would need 2 Guardian Talismans (40 DEF together) and my other 5 items would have to be "Snake _____ of the Heaven's" giving me 5*(5+3)=40.  I would think getting ahold of those 7 items would be pretty hard in itself.  Or is that what people actually do?

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Most people like myself have a Cash of Defense adding items to put on stuff like that.. If only I were a C heh.

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Re: Defense

Mel,  with base 20 def I can use my Achilles skin, The Pot, and 2 Gtallies and get up to 113 defense points.  If you get your hands on a def item (sakana or something like that I think it is) you can get up to almost 200 def.  The only down fall is, you have to be at least level 50 to use some def items.  Also, def items are expensive for newer players.  Your best bet is to hope somone will lend them to you to eq your items.  Or get a stat reset equip your items, and get another stat reset and be what you want.... and never take an item off.....

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Re: Defense

There are some players who add defense solely for the purpose of equipping. Certainly, that's what I did as a warrior. Compute the amount of defense you need to equip a gold plate (or a full plate) with the defensive items you own (you can do quite well with two warding rings, a snake/ancient wisdom robe, and a pot) and only add the minimum to equip an item. More defense than what's necessary will do very little to aid you. The bare minimum is a good route until you reach level 12038123 and have nothing better to do with your stat points.

By the way, sakana reduces defense by 10. If you value your defense, say no to sakanas.

Edit: Corrected "reduced" to "reduces."

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Re: Defense

Melchior wrote:
Lothar wrote:

Melchior, as a new player, you will need defense. The older players already have the items they need. And Knight Plate is extremely rare, so good luck to you with getting one of those.

Humour me here.  Say I'm an older player who has found Knight Plate, and I have all the items I need.  I also haven't put any points into DEF.  I would need 2 Guardian Talismans (40 DEF together) and my other 5 items would have to be "Snake _____ of the Heaven's" giving me 5*(5+3)=40.  I would think getting ahold of those 7 items would be pretty hard in itself.  Or is that what people actually do?

Melchior, you can get Achilles Skin, The Pot, and two guardian talismans for a total of 85 additional defense. These items would likely cost you under 100k gold pieces. 100k gold pieces should not be THAT hard to come up with, especially as an older player. If necessary though, you could just buy 2 resets. Buy one, put defense, put the plate on, buy another, set your stats how you want them.

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I don't think he meant a sakana, Erik. I think he meant a Wind Blade those add 20 defence. Haven't seen those in a long time either.And Iv'e done just fine myself with the pot,warding rings, sometimes 1 guardian tally and some defence stats. I can equip a cm,full plate, gold plate or even a great helm an im only lev 70.

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Re: Defense

I wasn't sure what weaponed added defense.  Likewise I couldn't remember what a sakana was.  So I put the two ideas together.  I am almost 100% sure there is a weapon that adds around 70 defense.  The guy wanted a couple hundred thousand gp for it though.

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Re: Defense

Thanks all.  I forgot about achille's skin, and didn't know about the pot.  It makes much more sense now.

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Re: Defense

A sai is an easy weapon to get that adds 30 def, an npc in Fishburg sells it. 
A cheaper choice than that is a Bo.. although it adds only 10 def and doesnt allow a shield.

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Re: Defense

Windblades are, really, much cheaper now than they've been in the last four years. While I haven't touched one in nearly six months, I can say that I've seen them around and there are a few still in the game on active players.

I know that the Royal Glaive adds 70 con, but it's -50 defense. I've never heard of a +70 defense item, but that's possibly because I've never been concerned with it.

Sai is a really good option, but only if you have 90 defense to begin with. But, with Tareim's equipment suggestions, it could be easily managed.

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Re: Defense

Yeah, maybe I was thinking of the Sai.  Either way, that's still:
Sai + Askin + Gtally + Gtally + The POT + 20 base

That's what around 140ish?  That's high enough to equip anything in the game right?