1

Topic: Zer: Site Question

Links seem to be working fine now in IE7/8.  Everything is a mess in IE 6 (probably shouldn't support it anyhow.. but its somehow still at like 10%).

Just curious how the site was made? It appears as though it wasn't hand coded, yeah?

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

2

Re: Zer: Site Question

ya congrats zer been workin on it, its fixed all links work for me. they always did on my Samsung Druid, had a mobile browser,

3

Re: Zer: Site Question

It was made using gedit, nano and Notepad.

The PHP code I wrote generates its own tags, which are mostly not HTML. I run that through a XSL transform. So, it's programmatically generated, and then transformed into HTML. The site's hand-coded, but the resulting HTML is computer-generated.

IE7 still has some trouble with screenshots, Who's Online, etc. as far as layout -- probably the width: 100%; CSS. But it's usable.

IE6, not sure I even want to try. Nightmarish. Perhaps I could put up a reduced page with simple links to a download, screenshots, etc. for IE6 users...

Imwhite, are you using IE7?

4

Re: Zer: Site Question

Umm i belive im using EI6, cuz i didnt like IE7.

5

Re: Zer: Site Question

I take that back, i got IE7, it was IE8 i didnt like and didnt upgrade too.

6

Re: Zer: Site Question

Ah well that explains.  I figured no one would actually hand code all that nasty in-line styling. 

You could use an alternate stylesheet for IE6, but you would have to deal with the aforementioned in-line styling and its high specificity value (pretty sure !important is higher, so it could be used).

As far as the other pages in IE7.. If you get rid of the right margin on table.ltable i think it would fix it.  Not sure why its there?

Oh and imwhite, you would know if you had IE6:
http://jdeerhake.com/files/faldon_ie6.png
It aint pretty.

Last edited by Aerius (March 18th, 2010 10:50 PM)

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

7

Re: Zer: Site Question

site also looks messed up on my work comp.
Cant view the whos online or the top 50 ladder etc from my work comp.
will try on my home comps..

What a cleaver meat grinder you say?
Happy Ponys, Elephants and Turtles all living together in harmony.

8

Re: Zer: Site Question

Master Wu wrote:
Maleria wrote:

site also looks messed up on my work comp.
Cant view the whos online or the top 50 ladder etc from my work comp.
will try on my home comps..

And what web browser & version are you using?

home now - working fine on firefox.
not sure of the version of IE iv got at work..ill check and report back on monday

What a cleaver meat grinder you say?
Happy Ponys, Elephants and Turtles all living together in harmony.

9

Re: Zer: Site Question

Oh and as for the clipping of the titles in IE7...

IE7 has a z-index bug, but its easy to get around. Give .content-horz-u a z-index of 1001+

When an element is relatively (or absolutely) positioned in IE7 it automatically gives it a z-index of 1000 for some reason

Last edited by Aerius (March 18th, 2010 11:54 PM)

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

10

Re: Zer: Site Question

Aerius wrote:

Oh and as for the clipping of the titles in IE7...

IE7 has a z-index bug, but its easy to get around. Give .content-horz-u a z-index of 1001+

When an element is relatively (or absolutely) positioned in IE7 it automatically gives it a z-index of 1000 for some reason

1000? Strange. That worked.. I had tried z-index: 20, etc. to no avail, thinking it would be a value in some way related to the other z-index values I'd set.

As for ltable, that was an artifact from the Encyclopedia, where I used it to space individual tables of information.
It'd been a while and I hadn't looked at the styling, and had just been using it as a generic 'table' class.

11

Re: Zer: Site Question

Nope... see the problem was you were using logical thinking.  Internet Explorer is immune to all logic.

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

12

Re: Zer: Site Question

By the way, how are you viewing IE6?

13

Re: Zer: Site Question

I just have it installed with wine (but not ies4linux).  Why, are you getting different results?

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

14

Re: Zer: Site Question

Oh and now div#thumbBox needs to have its z-index pushed up above the title bar.   haha.  I love IE.

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

15

Re: Zer: Site Question

why are you even using IE6, IE7 is free and nice

16

Re: Zer: Site Question

I don't use IE6.  I'm a professional web developer and around 10% of the internet still uses IE6, therefore I have to support it or I'm not good at my job.

Why do you use IE7?  Its crap.  Switch to Firefox, Chrome, Opera, or Safari.

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

17

Re: Zer: Site Question

makes sense smile

18

Re: Zer: Site Question

It's less than 10% for us. When looking at the logs I found a few percent of the IE6 folks were bots (one IE4 user on a DEC Alpha last year too wink, so it's probably closer to 5% real people.

Firefox is surprisingly common among people visiting the site, and Chrome and Opera are almost entirely unused.

I feel bad about IE6, but as a bad web developer, I feel it's a nightmare I don't wish to enter into smile

19

Re: Zer: Site Question

ah ok... lucky.  My current client is a reseller of EMC servers/disk storage (big time backup).  So you would think that because most of their audience is IT professionals I wouldn't have to worry about IE6, but in the last 30 days IE6 has been about 10% with <1% of that being bots. 60% IE in general, too.  What is with people?

If you see a little blip for Chrome - Linux.. that would be me  smile

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

20

Re: Zer: Site Question

Sad but true in most cases.

Although the site I'm working on is fairly low traffic (~ 2k uniques/month) and everyone that actually means to be on it is looking for servers/backup systems in the neighborhood of $50k-$500k.  I just can't believe these people are that ignorant

Last edited by Aerius (March 19th, 2010 1:20 PM)

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

21

Re: Zer: Site Question

I use IE7 by choice.  When doing webdev I split my time between IE7 and Firefox (Firebug!).  I find that Firefox does annoying things just as often as IE7/8, and so as long as I don't need to use any of the handy FF plugins, I'll stick with the prettiest browser with the best font rendering, etc.

If you care about things like startup speed or acid test score, though, browsers like Opera and the WebKit browsers blow both IE and FF out of the water, though.

22

Re: Zer: Site Question

I'm with you on Firefox.  I used to use it primarily but I got tired of the bloat, so now I'm on Chrome and I used Firefox for development (I'll 2nd Firebug).

I don't use IE because.. well I'm on Linux for staters.  But even when I'm on Windows I avoid it because of its lack of support for CSS3  and HTML5 stuff - I don't want to be the victim of graceful degradation (or non-graceful for that matter).  IE9 looks much better with that, I'll try it out when it hits beta.

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

23

Re: Zer: Site Question

What's sad is, you can run Opera on Windows 98.

24

Re: Zer: Site Question

Opera 10 on Win98?

"IE6 is the Frankenstein of the Internet, haunting its creators, terribly misunderstood by the townsfolk, who would sooner kill it, burn it and dance around it than make any sense of it."

25

Re: Zer: Site Question

Aerius wrote:

I'm with you on Firefox.  I used to use it primarily but I got tired of the bloat, so now I'm on Chrome and I used Firefox for development (I'll 2nd Firebug).

I don't use IE because.. well I'm on Linux for staters.  But even when I'm on Windows I avoid it because of its lack of support for CSS3  and HTML5 stuff - I don't want to be the victim of graceful degradation (or non-graceful for that matter).  IE9 looks much better with that, I'll try it out when it hits beta.

Well, HTML5 support is all over the board, with each browser maker supporting different pieces of it (and none of them even coming close to supporting all of the recommendations yet).  Lack of CSS3 support is pretty annoying though, but you're right, IE9 will hopefully be much better about that.