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UK News
"Men are risking their health One In Four Are Bingeing
Updated: 07:21, Thursday October 27, 2005
As many as one-in-four adults in Britain are binge drinkers, according to a new survey.

Researchers found almost one in three men drink twice as much as they should on a night out.

For women the figure is one in five.

It means around 11 million Britons are risking their health by binge drinking, according to BUPA Wellness.

The poll found there was widespread denial about levels of drinking and good health.

Two-thirds (67%) insisted that their diet was healthy, while 42% believed drinking had no effect at all on their health.

Its is recommended that women should drink no more than 2-3 units of alcohol a day and that men have no more than 3-4 units.

But the poll found that one in four were drinking more than twice that amount on a night out - which is classed as binge-drinking.

But two-thirds of binge-drinkers still insisted that do not have a problem and 60% said they did not care how much alcohol they consumed.

New licensing laws are due to come into effect on November 24, enabling pubs and clubs to serve drinks for longer.

Many fear it will will lead to even more binge-drinking and drink-related problems"

What do you guys think about this? The Government are trying to make pubs stay open longer so that people can spread their drinks out over a longer period of time. Personally, I think it will have mixed effects. Some people will use it for it's real purpose. However, there will always be piss-heads that just use the extra time to get even more drunk. I think it's probably a very bad solution in the long-term.
Also, what do you guys think about the new smoking laws they are trying to introduce? I know most of you don't live in the UK but I still want to know your opinions. Are people having similar problems in the countries they live in or is the UK just taking things too far?

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A serious thread... holy shit!

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Yay alchohol!

Modern cyberspace is a deadly festering swamp, teeming with dangerous programs such as''licensed Microsoft software'' that can take over your computer and render it useless.

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Yay alchohol!

Alcho what?

Anyhow, it's not 'new' that british men are binge drinkers. I read that in an article over 2 years ago.

On a sidenote I'd like to state that the answers to your poll are not very appropriate in respect to the question asked.
Furthermore I'd like to state (more of wink ) the obvious, which is the fact that your poll lacks an 'I do not give a fuck' option.

Señor Grandes Cojones

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UK News
"Men are risking their health One In Four Are Bingeing
Updated: 07:21, Thursday October 27, 2005
As many as one-in-four adults in Britain are binge drinkers, according to a new survey.

Researchers found almost one in three men drink twice as much as they should on a night out.

For women the figure is one in five.

It means around 11 million Britons are risking their health by binge drinking, according to BUPA Wellness.

The poll found there was widespread denial about levels of drinking and good health.

Two-thirds (67%) insisted that their diet was healthy, while 42% believed drinking had no effect at all on their health.

Its is recommended that women should drink no more than 2-3 units of alcohol a day and that men have no more than 3-4 units.

But the poll found that one in four were drinking more than twice that amount on a night out - which is classed as binge-drinking.

But two-thirds of binge-drinkers still insisted that do not have a problem and 60% said they did not care how much alcohol they consumed.

New licensing laws are due to come into effect on November 24, enabling pubs and clubs to serve drinks for longer.

Many fear it will will lead to even more binge-drinking and drink-related problems"

What do you guys think about this? The Government are trying to make pubs stay open longer so that people can spread their drinks out over a longer period of time. Personally, I think it will have mixed effects. Some people will use it for it's real purpose. However, there will always be piss-heads that just use the extra time to get even more drunk. I think it's probably a very bad solution in the long-term.
Also, what do you guys think about the new smoking laws they are trying to introduce? I know most of you don't live in the UK but I still want to know your opinions. Are people having similar problems in the countries they live in or is the UK just taking things too far?

*its

If you're gonna ask people outside of the UK for their opinion on the new smoking laws your government is apparently trying to introduce... it might be a nice gesture to tell us just what these laws are before asking our opinion on them. I for one do not feel much inclined to go out of my way to find out what exactly these plans detail. Even though I could make an educated guess, Im not very keen on giving opinions on things when I'm not quite sure just what these things are. smile

(Though you might find some on these boards who do not share such qualms)


Yay alchohol!

Alcho what?

Anyhow, it's not 'new' that british men are binge drinkers. I read that in an article over 2 years ago.

On a sidenote I'd like to state that the answers to your poll are not very appropriate in respect to the question asked.
Furthermore I'd like to state (more of wink ) the obvious, which is the fact that your poll lacks an 'I do not give a fuck' option.

Hehe, I remember that article, we read it in English class did we not?

Also... whilst I feel an "I don't know" and "no effect" option are lacking, an "I dont care" option is pretty much irrelevant here, since this poll is asking what you THINK will happen. It is not asking your opinion/preference in some matter such as: "Who do you hope wins the Iraqi elections" or "Should there be new less discriminatory non-proliferation treaty?" where "I dont care" IS somewhat relevant.

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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*aaachhooo*

*sniff*

Yay. You have the liberty of speaking to the one unlucky sod in the world who is allergic to alchohol.

It is high time I put something intelligent here.

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Yay. You have the liberty of speaking to the one unlucky sod in the world who is allergic to alchohol.

Throwing up does not mean you are allergic....dont listen to your parents... tongue

Basically there aren't many that go to te pub from the minute it opens to the minute it closes, so longer opening hours wouldn't affect the pissheads that much.

In Oz there has been a law for a while now for No Smoking in a public area i.e. Indoors.

That means no smoking in restaurants. The argument was that since they serve food in pubs...and non-smokers go to pubs..then should they have to put up with the smokers.

So they are trying to ban smoking in pubs. The Major problem is that is it not left up to the Pub Owner. If they ban smoking in Pubs...then it is a government applied law to ALL pubs.

Needless to say this would lower business greatly, because everyone knows how many smokers there are in a normal pub. So Pub owners are against it.

p.s. At the same time they tried to put an increase % of Tax on Beer...so the public didnt want to hear another thing about the government affecting our drinking.

p.p.s. its England...who cares.... big_smile

I'm opening up a shop that sells 13" rulers just so Fireborn stops complaining.

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I have to say, I find it pretty annoying when I walk into a pub and my lungs suddenly get filled with all the trash smokers left floating about. Its worse when someone smoking and breathing in your general direction is near to someone interesting you're trying to have a conversation with.

Then again, that's part of it being a bar I guess =p And as a result I do not often visit them. So for the argument of bothering non-smokers, I think every pub should decide that for themselves, if every single one judges that it is better for their business, then so be it. People can just 'not go' if it bothers them. Stuff like schools, airports, hospitals, other real public buildings and places of work etc. are a different matter though imho. People should be able to stay there without being troubled by smokers. (Of course one might argue that a pub is a place of work, but considering 1.  the generally small portion of all people present made up by workers and 2. the fact that it could be argued that this is very relevant for the business and there can thus in the hiring process there can be discriminated between whether someone is willing put up with smoke or not) So yea well, anyway... restaurants and stuff are the same imo... it's up to them. Though for restaurants its generally better for business to just seperate the smokers and non-smokers. So I guess it wouldnt be unreasonable o demand from proper restaurants they have a well-ventilated no-smoking area.

Ah well, w/e.

But you see... I think the point is not so much, or at least not entirely to shield non-smokers. It is also an attempt to isolate smokers and put them in a socially inferior position. Basically its a way to get smokers to quit, since increasing the price has only a limited effect. (Though it IS useful, since it hits young smokers hardest and can discourage I guess.)

I personally dont mind much, I dont think there is a constitution which gives people the right to smoke... so whereever it is relevant, discriminating between smokers and non-smokers is perfectly justified.

Just look at health insurance. smile

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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Heh, sorry about not explaining the the new laws they are trying to enforce about smoking.J3 told you about the laws they are trying to enforce in Australia and they are pretty similar in England, just to ban smoking from all pubs,restaurants etc.
In Ireland they have already banned smoking in all public places, I want similar laws introduced here.

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I have to say, I find it pretty annoying when I walk into a pub and my lungs suddenly get filled with all the trash smokers left floating about. Its worse when someone smoking and breathing in your general direction is near to someone interesting you're trying to have a conversation with.

Then again, that's part of it being a bar I guess =p And as a result I do not often visit them. So for the argument of bothering non-smokers, I think every pub should decide that for themselves, if every single one judges that it is better for their business, then so be it. People can just 'not go' if it bothers them. Stuff like schools, airports, hospitals, other real public buildings and places of work etc. are a different matter though imho. People should be able to stay there without being troubled by smokers. (Of course one might argue that a pub is a place of work, but considering 1.  the generally small portion of all people present made up by workers and 2. the fact that it could be argued that this is very relevant for the business and there can thus in the hiring process there can be discriminated between whether someone is willing put up with smoke or not) So yea well, anyway... restaurants and stuff are the same imo... it's up to them. Though for restaurants its generally better for business to just seperate the smokers and non-smokers. So I guess it wouldnt be unreasonable o demand from proper restaurants they have a well-ventilated no-smoking area.

Ah well, w/e.

But you see... I think the point is not so much, or at least not entirely to shield non-smokers. It is also an attempt to isolate smokers and put them in a socially inferior position. Basically its a way to get smokers to quit, since increasing the price has only a limited effect. (Though it IS useful, since it hits young smokers hardest and can discourage I guess.)

I personally dont mind much, I dont think there is a constitution which gives people the right to smoke... so whereever it is relevant, discriminating between smokers and non-smokers is perfectly justified.

Just look at health insurance. smile

Firstly, an 'I don't care' option is ALWAYS relevant.
- It's not 'Its worse bla bla..'
- You should insert a comma in between the words 'bar' and 'I'.
- Do not start your sentences with 'And'.
- Then there's the thing about you going to bars. In the first paragraph, you create the illusion that you frequently visit bars. 'It is so annoying that when I go to bars there's always this guy who smokes, who stands between me and my victim'. Then in the second paragraph you claim you do not often visit bars. Make up your mind, do you or don't you visit bars?
- 'should decide that for themselves' Should decide what for themselves? You should only use 'that' when referring to something stated earlier in your paragraph. It is very unclear what 'that' is, unless you've read the whole thread.
- Insert a full stop after the word 'themselves' and start a new sentence with a capital letter on the word 'If'. Otherwise you create an unacceptable run on sentence.
- 'Not go' or stay home? (What are you doing tonight? Oh, I'm 'not going' to the pub.)
- Are schools, hospitals and airports 'stuff' or rather locations/public buildings/(insert anything else applicable here)
- 'Other real public buildings' Are you telling me that when I go to the city hall, the walls might collapse because they're made out of styrofoam?!  :shock:  :shock:
- Also, are you telling me that pub visitors are the mere product of the bar tenders' creative mind?! 'Made up by workers'
-  'Of course one might argue that a pub is a place of work, but considering the fact that it could be argued that this is very relevant for the business and there can thus in the hiring process there can be discriminated between whether someone is willing put up with smoke or not'  I need a lot of help here!!! sad
- 'restaurants and stuff are the same imo' You are not a very capable fellow, are you? Restaurants and 'stuff' are quite different.
Whereas stuff can mean a lot of things in different situations like:
1. The material out of which something is made or formed; substance.
2. The essential substance or elements; essence: “We are such stuff/As dreams are made on” (Shakespeare).
3. Informal.
Unspecified material: Put that stuff over there.
Household or personal articles considered as a group.
Worthless objects.
4. Slang. Specific talk or actions: Don't give me that stuff about being tired.
5. Sports.
The control a player has over a ball, especially to give it spin, english, curve, or speed.
The spin, english, curve, or speed imparted to a ball: “where we could watch the stuff, mainly curves, that the pitchers were putting on the ball” (James Henry Gray).
6. Basketball. A dunk shot.
7. Special capability: The team really showed its stuff and won the championship.
8. Chiefly British. Woven material, especially woolens.
9.  Slang. Money; cash.
10. Slang. A drug, especially one that is illegal or habit-forming.
I do not see in which category a restaurant would fit. (To be sure I'd have to look up what a restaurant is, but I'm sure that a restaurant and 'stuff' are quite different.)
- For restaurants it's generally...
- 'Its generally better for business to just seperate the smokers and non-smokers.' Ouch!!
- it wouldn't
- 'Unreasonable o demand..'  What?!

So far for the second paragraph. Anyone in for the last part?

Señor Grandes Cojones

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Firstly, an 'I don't care' option is ALWAYS relevant.

Giving the opposite opinion without any arguments or reason... good job. I can actually somewhat see what its value would be, though I remain of the opinion that it is not really important/relevant here.

- It's not 'Its worse bla bla..'

This is sloppy, true. But its of the category youre rather than you're. Not the category your rather than you're. But I cant deny I omitted an apostrophe that shouldve be there. (*it's *can't, *should've, omg!)

- 'Not go' or stay home? (What are you doing tonight? Oh, I'm 'not going' to the pub.)

Taken out of context that is awkward yes. "go elsewhere" would work better I suppose. Still considering the context and all it's pretty clear I am just stressing that it's the opposite. (To be or not to be? Nah guess I wont be that silly.)

- You should insert a comma in between the words 'bar' and 'I'.
- Do not start your sentences with 'And'.
- For restaurants it's generally...
- 'Its generally better for business to just seperate the smokers and non-smokers.' Ouch!!
- it wouldn't

I'm sorry, for a second there I forgot this is a letter addressed to the friggin' Queen. (I submit this is not much of a defense. It'd be hard to defend considering that you're right. But... I don't really care. smile You win, gj.)

- Then there's the thing about you going to bars. In the first paragraph, you create the illusion that you frequently visit bars. 'It is so annoying that when I go to bars there's always this guy who smokes, who stands between me and my victim'. Then in the second paragraph you claim you do not often visit bars. Make up your mind, do you or don't you visit bars?

-I create the illusion that I frequently go to bars? Dont read things between the lines that are not there. I am saying that when I go to bars, certain things annoy me. Then I state that as a result I do not go to them often. That seems perfectly consistent to me.
-I am having trouble spotting the word 'always' in my sentence mentioning smokers standing 'between me and my victim' as you word it. I mention in a sentence that is quite seperate from the first that I find such a situation even worse. But apparently you would not be annoyed by such things unless they happened at least 50 times to you. Unfortunately, I'm just not that patient.

- Are schools, hospitals and airports 'stuff' or rather locations/public buildings/(insert anything else applicable here)

- Also, are you telling me that pub visitors are the mere product of the bar tenders' creative mind?! 'Made up by workers'

- 'Unreasonable o demand..'  What?!

Alright, I am not going to bother with this. Consider it your victory if you wish.

- 'should decide that for themselves' Should decide what for themselves? You should only use 'that' when referring to something stated earlier in your paragraph. It is very unclear what 'that' is, unless you've read the whole thread.

My post is a part of this thread, it is not intended to be read by itself completely out of context. So if people do'nt read the thread, then I consider that their problem, not my own. If some part of a user agreement refers to "the service" it's not particularly clear what is meant by that unless one has read the definitions earlier in the contract.

- 'Other real public buildings' Are you telling me that when I go to the city hall, the walls might collapse because they're made out of styrofoam?!  :shock:  :shock:

You have somewhat of a point.
In the questionable case you really couldn't figure this out: When I said 'real' public buildings I intended to imply that I do not consider a pub as such. This is a rather vague thing if it is not further expounded upon, so... my bad.

-  'Of course one might argue that a pub is a place of work, but considering the fact that it could be argued that this is very relevant for the business and there can thus in the hiring process there can be discriminated between whether someone is willing put up with smoke or not'  I need a lot of help here!!! sad

You're right.

- 'restaurants and stuff are the same imo' You are not a very capable fellow, are you? Restaurants and 'stuff' are quite different.
Whereas stuff can mean a lot of things in different situations like:

1. The material out of which something is made or formed; substance.
2. The essential substance or elements; essence: “We are such stuff/As dreams are made on” (Shakespeare).
3. Informal.
Unspecified material: Put that stuff over there.
Household or personal articles considered as a group.
Worthless objects.
4. Slang. Specific talk or actions: Don't give me that stuff about being tired.
5. Sports.
The control a player has over a ball, especially to give it spin, english, curve, or speed.
The spin, english, curve, or speed imparted to a ball: “where we could watch the stuff, mainly curves, that the pitchers were putting on the ball” (James Henry Gray).
6. Basketball. A dunk shot.
7. Special capability: The team really showed its stuff and won the championship.
8. Chiefly British. Woven material, especially woolens.
9.  Slang. Money; cash.
10. Slang. A drug, especially one that is illegal or habit-forming.

I do not see in which category a restaurant would fit. (To be sure I'd have to look up what a restaurant is, but I'm sure that a restaurant and 'stuff' are quite different.)

Need I really respond to such a cheap crack? =P Obviously I meant that in the context of how they should be treated by smoking regulations.

So far for the second paragraph. Anyone in for the last part?

A collection consisting mostly of nitpicking intersparsed with some points that are actually somewhat relevant. smile

Altogether it's just a big waste of time, since I am pretty sure you got the message in spite of my horribly confusing omission of apostrophes/ smile Also I do not feel much inclined to change my habits as a result of your post.

The only added value I see is that you pointed out I have a habit of making long, vague sentences. smile

Yes, I do realize you were just playing around and stuff...
But as I am sure you realize, I am the kind of person to take it very seriously regardless. smile

PS. I am once more convinced you will make a fine lawyer. An evil one perhaps... but in court it's about winning, no matter how. If I ever become a dictator or serial rapist, expect a phonecall. smile

PPS. If you're gonna do the same to this post as you did to my last, I will not bother typing out a reply. I will reply with a picture (actually, with a link to a picture, heh). This is not a contract, nor a keynote speech. smile


Much love.

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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It would be a great waste of my time to even bother correcting that last post. It is even worse than the one before. Anyway, thank you for your trust and support. I am too convinced that I'll make a fine if not great lawyer and won't hesitate to pick up that phone. We both know that either one of the situations you sketched will happen sooner or later.

Señor Grandes Cojones

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I am too convinced that [...]

I'm sorry but I couldn't resist. Forgive me. smile
I'm sick atm yknow =p

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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I am too convinced that [...]

I'm sorry but I couldn't resist. Forgive me. smile
I'm sick atm yknow =p

'Sick' atm? You remind me of the valetudinarian who sits in front of me in my international law class.
*Chuckles.

PS: What are you trying to say?

Señor Grandes Cojones

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Headache, neckache which has spread to my shoulders related to my cold and (reasonably) high fever. ^_^

Dunno why I bother getting up and typing all the time. smile.

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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Dunno why I bother getting up and typing all the time. smile.

Hentai.... :?:

I'm opening up a shop that sells 13" rulers just so Fireborn stops complaining.

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But Honestly I hate all Unions...more often than not they just create more trouble than they are worth.

Unions are supposed to be there to protect Workers...but they sometimes throw the worker out as a sacrificial lamb to get the higher job done.

If Working around smoke in a bar deems them to have special treatment...Then does that mean someone at a construction site has the right to complain about all the dangerous bricks the building is being made out of.

You take a job knowing the Risks...and expectations involved in it..and if you cannot meet these expectations...then you Quit. It's that simple.

p.s. Stupid whiney unions.

I'm opening up a shop that sells 13" rulers just so Fireborn stops complaining.

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Maka... we... are... on... a... message... board... who... cares... about... half... the... shit... you... pointed... out... as... long... as... it... is... coherent...

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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Oh right. It wasn't coherent though. Anything else?

Señor Grandes Cojones

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huh?  :?:  I... Don't.. Understand.. you...

wvblerRARA!!

I don't question my sexuality, my sexuality questions me.
Self Gratification is God's greatest gift to man.

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huh?  :?:  I... Don't.. Understand.. you...

wvblerRARA!!

You used wvblerRARA in the wrong sense of the word there.
What a chump  wink

Señor Grandes Cojones

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What a chump  wink

You're starting to sound like Mumblee now... =p


Seriously though, I find it such a peculiar-sounding word that I have my own definition for chump. Namely: I consider those who use the word chump, to be chumps. smile

Funny thing is, Im seriously not implying a link between people who use this word and the proper definition of chump. Just an emotional valuation of the word that has kinda grown on me. (Does that make any sense to anybody?)

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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the word has kinda grown on me

So if i understand correctly you have a Growth that spells out the word "Chump"...a Physical Deformity if you will, possibly from an accident as a youngen.

I'm opening up a shop that sells 13" rulers just so Fireborn stops complaining.

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the word has kinda grown on me

So if i understand correctly you have a Growth that spells out the word "Chump"...a Physical Deformity if you will, possibly from an accident as a youngen.

I would retort, but the challenge is gone.

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."