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Topic: Sign the petition to outlaw OPEC

This is shameless spam, advertising randomly for some petition. I  would like to hereby discourage you to act upon this message. I am leaving this up though, since it has sparked some discussion beyond the usual level of 'look i'm gay' 'oops, I farted'

America defended Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The result? $70+ oil.
The U.S. law prohibits price-fixing. OPEC manipulated the oil price, driving it to 50 times above the cost oil extraction cost. Oil is more profitable than heroin.
The OPEC members use oil proceeds to fund religious fundamentalists who incite against America.
We prosecute foreign drug cartels which violate the U.S. law without entering the country. We can similarly do away with the OPEC
Stop the oil racket! Sign the petition to outlaw OPEC at www.petitiononline.com/opec

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America defended Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The result? $70+ oil.
The U.S. law prohibits price-fixing. OPEC manipulated the oil price, driving it to 50 times above the cost oil extraction cost. Oil is more profitable than heroin.
The OPEC members use oil proceeds to fund religious fundamentalists who incite against America.
We prosecute foreign drug cartels which violate the U.S. law without entering the country. We can similarly do away with the OPEC
Stop the oil racket! Sign the petition to outlaw OPEC at www.petitiononline.com/opec

Another public initiative by www.SamsonBlinded.info. Google banned the site’s advertising and Amazon deleted all reviews

Dude, fuck off, this is a flaming forum for the lame game Faldon. WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR RETARDED OIL!
Or maybe we do, but ur not welcome.

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I'm not even going to start going into why that is the most rediculous proposal i've ever seen....

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I'm not even going to start going into why that is the most rediculous proposal i've ever seen....

If I ask you nicely can you please do it?

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Yeah if you dont want to support terrorism then stop driving your car.


Or you can stop talking shit and carry on with life because thats what the world is like.

Is that Honda you drive an american made car..putting money into your economy...having that money directed to national security..and keeping your homeland safe.

Or is it simply a better built car by a country that puts their priorities straight.

Hint to the US...if you didnt constantly piss off the rest of the world and stick your nose where it doesnt belong..then you wouldnt need to spend so much on defense wink

I'm opening up a shop that sells 13" rulers just so Fireborn stops complaining.

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Bah Jesus3, the last thing you should be promoting is US isolationism... that is not what the world needs. The US could do a lot of good with its power, the problem is wasting it on stuff like Iraq instead... bad policy does not mean that policies should simply be abolished in that area.

As for the petition... whilst OPEC is obviously a cartel, it kind of rises above standard national antitrust laws, your only realistic option of really tying some actual consequences to the outlawing of OPEC would be military intervention. I do not imagine there are many people who support the action when presented like that, but judging from the 2nd link given by goga that is what the initiative-taker of the petition truly has in mind, as such I feel this petition misrepresents itself to those from whom it requests a signature. I would advise all against signing it for this reason alone.

Well, there is of course another way, one could place an embargo on oil from OPEC member states. However it should be obvious to most though, that the US is far too dependent on oil to do that. Moreover, China, India, Japan and Europe should offer plenty demand for the OPEC to manage, even if Europe tries to shift its dependence to Russia whilst China invests in oil in Africa. The point though, is that the US is far more dependent on OPEC than vice versa (in my estimation) and that economic measures are therefore not viable... thus one arrives back at the aforementioned military measures.

As for the US defending Kuwait and Saudi Arabia... surely noone believes that was an act of benevolence, if so, surely the US would be doing more to tackle and resolve wars in Africa (rather than criticizing the UN, the only institution doing something about it). The US used military intervention to serve its own means, whether or not the results have been satisfactory and self-serving does not change that representing the situation as some sort of moral high ground taken by the US, ingratefully scoffed by those helped in the process is just wrong.


P.S. Should the spammer read this thread once more (doubtful) here's a essage for him, aimed especially at the 2nd link: Down with Israel! ;-)

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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Bah Jesus3, the last thing you should be promoting is US isolationism... that is not what the world needs. The US could do a lot of good with its power, the problem is wasting it on stuff like Iraq instead... bad policy does not mean that policies should simply be abolished in that area.

As for the petition... whilst OPEC is obviously a cartel, it kind of rises above standard national antitrust laws, your only realistic option of really tying some actual consequences to the outlawing of OPEC would be military intervention. I do not imagine there are many people who support the action when presented like that, but judging from the 2nd link given by goga that is what the initiative-taker of the petition truly has in mind, as such I feel this petition misrepresents itself to those from whom it requests a signature. I would advise all against signing it for this reason alone.

Well, there is of course another way,
one could place an embargo on oil from OPEC member states. However it should be obvious to most though, that the US is far too dependent on oil to do that. Moreover, China, India, Japan and Europe should offer plenty demand for the OPEC to manage, even if Europe tries to shift its dependence to Russia whilst China invests in oil in Africa. The point though, is that the US is far more dependent on OPEC than vice versa (in my estimation) and that economic measures are therefore not viable... thus one arrives back at the aforementioned military measures.

As for the US defending Kuwait and Saudi Arabia... surely noone believes that was an act of benevolence, if so, surely the US would be doing more to tackle and resolve wars in Africa (rather than criticizing the UN, the only institution doing something about it). The US used military intervention to serve its own means, whether or not the results have been satisfactory and self-serving does not change that representing the situation as some sort of moral high ground taken by the US, ingratefully scoffed by those helped in the process is just wrong.


P.S. Should the spammer read this thread once more (doubtful) here's a essage for him, aimed especially at the 2nd link: Down with Israel! ;-)

Oh your post turned me on. Make love to me you stud.

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lets go with the OPEC theme and use crude oil to help things slide along =P

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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lets go with the OPEC theme and use crude oil to help things slide along =P

Why? I prefer when its really tight..  roll

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reducing the friction doesnt make it any less tight -_-

"We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice."

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reducing the friction doesnt make it any less tight -_-

Indeed, but its much more boring if there is less friction!

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doesnt this belong in the crap forum or wahtever its called, the one no one cares about.

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doesnt this belong in the crap forum or wahtever its called, the one no one cares about.

Stop insulting Brandon, he cares alot about the Trash Heap.

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im srry to brandom and to all the junk in his trunk.

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im srry to brandom and to all the junk in his trunk.

Well well, we got ourselves a poet!

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Dude, I drive an electric car.

It is high time I put something intelligent here.

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Dude, I drive an electric car.

If I ever get a car (Im laid in the bike direction) I will buy an old Volvo PV, just to pollute as much as possible!

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If you want to talk about price fixing think about the fact that most developed countries force prices down in developeing countries which keeps those countries poor (thats why fair trade goods are now around).

Also technically the EU was originally a trading group but it still incorages trade within europe while certain imported good get priced out of the market.

So do you think the EU should be disbanded and do you think america should pay fairer prices to poorer countries or is it as i think, you only want to do thinks that benifit you and america if thats the case then why should the middle east give two fucks about america ?